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Church v. State ... or worded:

religious v. irreligious; spiritual v. secular; Godly v. ungodly

It is written: "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD." -Psalm 33:12

 "...as Christ is head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." -Ephesians 5:23   Christ Jesus

"The True Church cleaves to the absolute standards of Scripture and is infused with the work of the Holy Spirit to guide it." -Against The Night- Living in the New Dark Ages, Chuck Colson

"But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.-Galations 5:22   True Religion

Note: You will not find the word "State" in The Bible; however, you will find reference to entities such as the State as "the rulers of this age" as the passage below relates. The State today is usurping (de facto) as "lord" or "ruler" in competition with Jesus as true Lord (de jure). Think about it, that which is created (man) is never greater than the Creator (God)! Furthermore, the function of priests in a Church are not the same function as a politicians in a political body (State). Thomas Millington, Ambassador for Christ, Ambassador to Israel

 It is written: “We [Christians] do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the LORD of glory. Unlock the Doors to the Kingdom of Heaven.However, as it is written: ‘No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him’- but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.” -1 Corinthians 2:6-11; Isaiah 64:4

"The Christian’s primary allegiance is always to Jesus Christ. Christians proclaim Him Lord, recognize Him as their legitimate King, and live as citizens of His kingdom first and foremost. The demands of human government are always secondary to the demands of Christ and His Kingdom—as the lives of countless martyrs and the persecuted church past and present attest."  -Chuck Colson: www.breakpoint.org

theocracy versus democracy

"The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it." -Adolph Hitler

“The origin of the state is to be found in the development of the art of warfare. Historically speaking, all political communities of the modern type owe their existence to successful warfare.” -Wikipedia

 Slavery  

Threat, Duress, Coercion (TDC)

Roman culture was not neutral with respect to the announcement of God’s reign in Christ. The Gospel of the kingdom is not just about a gift. It is about a change of allegiance. The declaration “Jesus is Lord” was understandably viewed as subversive and a threat to everything the Romans held dear. That’s why Christians had to die. That’s why tyrants such as Stalin and Mao tried to stamp out the Church. -The Threat of Jesus, by Rev. Robert Lynn. 

"If the First Reich prepared the way for Hitler by unifying church and state, the Second Reich contributed to the paralysis of the church by teaching that there must be a split between private and public morality*. Otto von Bismarck (The shrewd premier of Prussia) claimed to have had a conversion experience to Christianity while visiting in the home of some pietistic friends. But he was faced with the realization that as a political statesman he had to violate the moral principles that governed his private behavior as a Christian. He reasoned that when acting as a servant of the state, a man was not bound by the same morality he should have as an individual. The state, it was argued, should not be judged according to conventional law because its responsibilities went beyond ordinary human values." -Hitler's Cross, Erwin W. Lutzer

*E.g. "I don't want to reflect on my fellow politicians, but if every politician that ever lied was incapable of holding of service, I'm not too sure of how many we'd have left." -James Jefford, Vermont (USA) Representative [career politician]; -Quote taken after a press conference; Burlington Free Press (year 2000)

“All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.”  -John Arbuthnot (1667-1735); Quotationary

 It is written: "There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty (prideful) eyes, a lying tongue (emphasis added), hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers."  -Proverbs 6:16-19

 

Jesus, author of life, created the Church and a Holy People/Nation; on the other hand, man (a presumed free People) created the State. The Church lives and operates exclusively on Holy Scripture-The Word of God. The State devises (creates) its own sovereignty and rules and regulations which are not based upon the chief cornerstone which is Christ Jesus. The Church House, not the White House, is God's moral compass on earth. 

It is written: "But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.  Against such things there is no law.-Galations 5:22 People are most often told what to think, but most people do not know how to think freely in the Spirit. Chances are, you've been indoctrinated and not educated. You are probably a slave and not a true freeman.

“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? “What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: 'I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.' Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord." -2 Corinthians 6: 14-17

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are Free! " -Johann W. von Goeth (1749-1832)

“The victory for freedom of thought recorded in our Bill of Rights recognizes that in the domain of conscience there is a moral power higher than the State. Throughout the ages, men have suffered death rather than subordinate their allegiance to God to the authority of the State. Freedom of religion guaranteed by the First Amendment is the product of that struggle.” Supreme Court of the United States, Girouard v. US, April 22, 1946

Theocracy v. Democracy        Persecution

 It is written: "[Jesus] I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." -John 13:16

Usurpation- "The unlawful encroachment or assumption of the use of property, power or authority which belongs to another. An interruption or the disturbing a man in his right and possession. The unlawful seizure or assumption of sovereign power. The assumption of government or supreme power by force or illegally, in derogation to the constitution and the rights of the lawful ruler."-Black’s Law Dictionary, 6th Edition.

“We tend to think of the law as complex, something that only lawyers, judges, and legal educators can comprehend. Yet the history of the law can be viewed as a tale of human choices about the preservation of life, the protection of property, the exercise of individual liberty, the fashioning of creative knowledge, and other basic social concepts.” -The Oxford Guide- American Law, edited by Kermit L. Hall

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"The Scriptures always reject the fanaticism that tries to set up the kingdom of God as a political project." ... "The state that tries to become perfect becomes tyrannical." -Church, Ecumenism, & Politics, Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI © 2008

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“The origin of the state is to be found in the development of the art of warfare. Historically speaking, all political communities of the modern type owe their existence to successful warfare.” -Wikipedia

Apostasy. The total renunciation of Christianity, by embracing either a false religion or no religion at all. -Black’s Law Dictionary, 6th Edition definition

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"The hour-long program explores how the first Amendment to the Constitution was crafted both to protect the church and the state and to provide a framework within which the two can work together for the common good. ... [It] challenges citizens to stay alert to government activity that affects the institution of the church." -Lutheran Hour Ministries

Concerning "separation Church from State", Thomas Jefferson is credited for this quote when he wrote a personal letter to the Danbury Baptists hoping that the separation of Church and State would be maintained meaning "The Church was to be a separate power as a check against the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches of Government." -"Red"      

Experts debunk separation of Church and State myth!

Secular State: "When the government and legal system is separated from control of the priests or the religious establishment. The state's values are based on systems not overtly drawn from religious examples... Communist States ...are secular."  -DK, The Book of Rule

Black’s Law Dictionary, 6th Edition definitions: Spiritual. Relating to religious or ecclesiastical persons or affairs, as distinguished from "secular*" or lay, worldly*, or business matters.

Church. In its most general sense, the religious society founded and established by Jesus Christ, to receive, preserve, and propagate His doctrines and ordinances. It may also mean a body of communicants gathered into church order; body or community of Christians, united under one form of government by the profession of the same faith and the observance of the same ritual and ceremonies; place where persons regularly assemble for worship; congregation; organization for religious purposes; religious society or body; the clergy or officialdom of a religious body. Blasphemy  Christ Jesus

State. A body of people occupying a definite territory and politically organized under one government.politics- the use of strategy or intrigue in obtaining power or status.

*Secular.  Not Spiritual; not ecclesiastical; relating to affairs of the present (temporal) world.

*Worldly.  Of or pertaining to the world or the present state of existence; temporal; earthly; devoted to, interested in, or connected with this present life, and its cares, advantages, or pleasures, to the exclusion of those of a future life. Concerned with enjoyment of this present existence; secular; not religious; spiritual, or holy.

Apostasy Church

“Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politicians. I really shudder for the future of our country. Someone must not only win the war, but also the peace.” -General George S. Patton Jr.; The Unknown Patton, Charles M. Province; page 99; copyright 1983

"A powerful State has always been a threat to the existence and influence of the church. Whether the threat be Nazism, Communism, or humanism, a state that is hostile to religion will always attempt to push the church toward forced irrelevancy.  ... As the state expands its powers, it can initiate laws that limit the church's freedoms. "The state excludes the Church from everything which it considers as belonging to the political sphere. At the same time the Church is expected to shrivel up into nothing." -Hitler's Cross, Erwin W. Lutzer; pg 199  

 "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. Is it not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." -2 Corinthians 11:14, 15

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building." -Benito Mussolini, Italian dictator (1883-1945). The Book of Rule, How the World is Governed  

 "The rule of law refers to the regulation of the relationship between the state and individuals by pre-established and knowable laws. The state, no less than the individuals it governs, must be subject to and obey the law. The state’s obligation to obey the law is central to the very existence of the rule of law. Without this obligation, there would be no enforceable limit on the state’s power over individuals...." duhaime.org

CONGRESS DECLARES THE BIBLE “THE WORD OF GOD”

97th Congress Joint Resolution
[S.J.Res. 165] 96 Stat. 1211
Public Law 97-280 - October 4, 1982

Public law:  “… the relations between the state and the people who compose it, the responsibilities of public officers to the state, the relations between the state and the people who compose it, the responsibilities of public officers to the state, to each other, and to private persons, and the relations of states to one another.   … That portion of law that defines rights and duties with either the operation of government, or the relationships between the government and individuals, associations, and corporations.” -Black’s Law Dictionary, 6th Edition.

"In the battle between forces of good and evil (emphasis added) on this planet, no one can be neutral, you want to take sides." -Robert Muller, a former Assistant Secretary-General of the United Nations  

good- morally excellent; virtuous; satisfactory or superior in quality, quantity, or degree; proper suitable or right; well-behaved; kind friendly; honorable or worthy; not counterfeit.

evil- morally wrong or bad; wicked; harmful or injurious; unfortunate; disastrous;  evil quality, intention, or conduct; wickedness or sin.

It is written: "Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." -Romans 1:32

"Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom promised those who love him? But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong? -James 2:5-7

“When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.” -Ezekiel 33:8-9

 "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?" -Ezekiel 18:23

“History has shown, that rather than serving as a force of peace, 'religions have served to foment (instigate) scores of horrendous and bloody wars,’ and religious leaders who have ordered their followers, in the name of religion, to kill indiscriminately, ‘have done so by hijacking and distorting the religions in whose name they speak.’” – Israel Singer; World Jewish Congress, Report/Fall 2005, page 7  What is true religion?

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